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Comment My wishlist for the weekend: Chili wins against Brazil. Columbia defeats Uruguay. Netherlands beats Mexico. Costa Rica wins against Greece. Comment Gute Trefferquote, Walther! Hoffentlich geht das heute Abend gut gegen Algerien. Continuation: Frankreich - Nigeria France has higher quality Deutschland - Algerien just hope so Comment I just got to wondering, would anyone know what language the Belgian team uses for coaching and communicating during their games?

And what about the Swiss team? Comment Gute Frage, Martin! Im Zweifelsfall sprechen sie Englisch. Comment And what about the Swiss team? Comment Can someone please explain to me what Lahm was doing when he got the yellow card against Algeria? I saw him pulling the guy's shorts in quite a determined fashion, but I was watching the game without sound and didn't hear any commentary that might have explained why he was doing so. It didn't look like the other player was in an especially dangerous position, unless my memory fails me.

Was he annoyed at the other player? Comment Not sure, maybe delaying business, because Schweinsteiger was indisposed and about to be replaced? Comment Ah, that could be it. It didn't make sense to me that Lahm would make a stupid foul like that; I figured there must have been a tactical reason, though I thought it was possible that he was reacting to something else like repeated uncalled fouls by the Algerian player. I miss our chats, WK. We are driving through your old stomping grounds soon, and I will remember our dinner at the Thai restaurant.

Yes, it was way out in midfield, and yes, Lahm grabbed the guy's thigh and nearly pulled his shorts off. And yes, it was maybe less than a minute later that Schweinsteiger had to go off. Sorry not to be any less clueless, but WK's theory seems plausible. There was just a nice film about sandhill cranes this week on PBS. From a refuge in Wisconsin -- Baraboo, Barabou? Amy, I hope you will have a safe trip and not tangle with any of the storms that are forecasted for neighboring states. He didn't even appear to be trying very hard -- I thought, is he the only one who had the malaria shot?

Is he on drugs? That is, except for once or twice when he seemed to want to set himself up -- almost as if he were mad that he was supposed to be playmaking instead of scoring. The Spanish commentators also mentioned that Germany wasn't getting anywhere on the sides except on the right. Well, yes. But, but, but Maybe that will help settle his nerves and put him in a better frame of mind to work for the team. Without peroxide, hopefully -- he doesn't have to look like a tall blond Aryan, thank heavens, there are plenty of those out there. And if he could just get possession of the ball and keep it!

At least so far. Podolski is injured, so is Moustafi now. Hope they recover till the next match vs. Comment What happened to Podolski? And isn't Mustafi Carly's hometown favorite? Though maybe I got the wrong player -- he looked awfully blond compared to his last name. Ann Coulter's gaffe is apparently making the rounds. Not for the first time. What a dimwit. What's the word on Schweinsteiger? It seemed like really bad news for him to be injured again after a year and a half of rehab.

Still, not that I have anything against him personally, but if he has to sit the next match or two out, I won't miss all the silly comments about his last name. Enough is enough. Comment I couldn't figure out why Lahm got a yellow card, either - particularly, as later on in the game, the Algerians had one of our players surrounded in "die Ecke," were grabbing hold of his Trikot, kicking his shins, etc. Comment Maybe Lahm wanted to exchange souvenirs a bit to early?

But grabbing the pants was a tactical foul which has to be punished with a yellow card. Mustafi ripped muscle fibres according to my info. Most of the Flamish players speak French but hardly any Walone speaks Dutch. So, French it is Comment Klinsman almost sounded American the way he was whining that the Algerian ref can speak French with the Belgian team and apparently can't communicate with the Americans.

How much of an advantage is it to be able to speak with the ref? I bet a lot of the refs speak English, though, and we could have learned French so… I didn't click on the Coulter links.

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What she said is idiotic. I would be curious to know what percentage of Americans has at least one great grandparent who was born abroad? I was going to offer myself as a suitably American American who is watching what I can of the World Cup, but then I remembered that one of my great grandfathers was born in England.

At least I think he was. That's going back past , though, so it seems like Coulter could give me a break. Comment Couldn't hear what the ref was actually saying, but at one point it seemed he was "mouthing" shut up :- Amy, If it's so utterly "un-American" then why was learning soccer part of our PE lessons in ?? Lahm ist nur Captain, wenn Du das so schreibst. Das Interview mit Messacker spelling? Was soll ich Deine Meinung nach sagen? Sag' ich aber nicht Comment Mertesacker :- The interview was wonderful. I think after 2 weeks in Brazil and speaking foreign languages like Portugues or whatever, they are forgetting "German".

They talk a lot of garbage Comment Aaargh, I can't stand this. What is it with the injuries -- the heat, the conditioning, just people trying too hard against too strong opponents? I can't bear to see anyone else go out Comment hm, I still couldn't see how he actually got hurt, even though they showed the replay Comment USA after the game vs. That was sad. At least, for a long while I just wanted it to be over with, but then when against all hope it looked like maybe they could score at the end after all, I was so excited.

But it was not to be. I don't know much about soccer, but it looked to me like Klinsmann had set them up with every possible opportunity to pull it out at the end, even if they didn't play well before, which they could have done. They had learned such nice set plays, and ran them well, as far as I could tell, and came so close right at the end, more than once.

If only someone had gotten the rebound after the set play, I thought maybe they really could have tied it. Bradley seemed really disappointing -- I don't know what happened to him in the whole tournament. And the much talked-of Wondolowski, who missed such a great chance. Even Dempsey seemed subdued today. And Jones, who couldn't seem to do much but dive, even though he had looked so good the previous game. Beasley also just wasn't as much of a presence. And how unfortunate that Fabian Johnson was also injured so early.

BTW, it looked like a hamstring, Carly, not unlike Altidore, if hopefully not as bad. And didn't someone else have a strain in the same place a game or two back? That was partly why I had asked earlier. Anyway, all that being the case, who knows if it was right to drop Donovan or not. I imagine Klinsmann doesn't himself; he probably knew it was a gamble in the first place.

But just as a total non-expert, I can't see how having Donovan would have made enough difference to overcome so many other problems. So I hope the media doesn't jump down Klinsmann's throat. And I certainly hope no one on the team comes out and says they were thinking about Donovan instead of about hanging on to the ball. Despite everything, didn't Julian Green do well! What a scary thing, to be called on only for one big shot right at the end. And let's not forget John Brooks. I hope all the German guys aren't too disappointed, now that they've thrown in their lot with us. That was a gamble for them too, I'm sure.

And among the non-Germans, Yedlin, who I wasn't familiar with, looked good today. Gonzalez and Bedoya also had some good moments, despite others not so good. And Zusi, until this game. And thank heavens for Tim Howard. I think he was the one I felt worst for, even if he probably had fairly sober expectations. That is, I hope the things he was yelling at the backfield were phrased in a way that they can remember as a positive learning experience. I'm always sad around this point when so many teams have to go out.

I wish it could last longer. Wouldn't a losers' bracket have been fun? But hopefully it will still be good to watch. I'm trying to decide if it's going to be three Latin American dancers vs. Germany, or three northern European beer drinkers vs. Too bad we don't live close enough to have a watch party.

If I ever type up my vocabulary notes, I could pass them on, but I'm not sure I'll get around to it. I was dismayed to read that the World Cup has been bought by Fox and Telemundo for I'll miss all these sports commentators, who seem like old friends now. Though I won't miss the telenovela commercials.

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Not that, without cable, I ever saw the latter. Not to mention a very special thank you for the closed captioners, who have been working flat out somewhere behind the scenes and on whom I often depend for a word here and there. Which, like cable TV Na ja. Hasta irgendwann. Comment hm--us: Closed captioning! That would have quickly solved my "mete soccer" problem. But how do you turn it on? In the meantime, I've also been learning soccer terminology on the go, with many false interpretations, I'm sure. Comment Well, it depends on your remote.

Somewhere under Menu, Functions, Display,? The good news is that you've got till Friday to figure it out. Sometimes you have to sort of figure out what they meant to write. Sometimes they just give up for a sentence or two, especially if the commentators lower their voices, or the crowd is loud, or if they say something sort of off-color or critical of a team or FIFA. Sometimes they substitute a simple short word for a longer harder one because it's faster to type. But since the start of the tournament, they've made great progress in learning the names of all the European club teams that get mentioned, and they're already amazingly good at all the players' names, even the hard ones, with obscure accents.

The Spanish commentators don't make it easy for them, because half of the Latin American players have nicknames, which you just have to know or learn. A pibe means something in Argentinian like a barrio kid, but I still need to look it up. And then there's 'dai Mannschaft' "Muera, equipo! But alas, none of that matters now, we're back to Schweinsteiger, which is one of their favorite words to laugh at cerdo! Maybe Mr. Pardo will, by some remote chance, see this in the meantime and clue them in.

Comment hm--us. A "remote"; what's that? I have to get out of my chair if I want to adjust volume or change channel. I guess I'll be sticking to the uncaptioned audio. I haven't paid any attention to the nicknames the announcers give to the players although I did catch their amusement with the sound and meaning of "Schweinsteiger" I'm still learning terms like "falta" and "saque de banda".

Comment OMG, Martin! I don't remember all the details, but when Premiere later Sky was launched on the German market, they tried to obtain exclusive broadcast rights for soccer, but that would have been against German law I think. Though, they did obtain most, if not all, rights to the Bundesliga games. Comment It is not a question of it being illegal, it is a question of who pays most for the rights. Sky decided it was not worth it this time because they would not have got exclusive rights.

If only the same were true of the Premier League To those few of us who aren't subscribers, but pull the signals out of the ether with an antenna, we can follow the games for free on the Spanish-language Univision channel. But at least they are on TV. I remember the frustration my nephew from Germany had -- I think it was in -- when he visited us during the world cup playoffs, and the only way he could follow the games was on radio, in Spanish. Poor guy! He just couldn't believe that no one in the US was interested in the games.

PS - for a while we used a broomstick as our "remote". My son subscribes to Sky basically because he wants to see the Bundesliga matches Comment Yeah, that's our Bundesliga. Happily the government deems certain sporting events to be of national cultural importance and prevents subscription channels from buying the rights. The World Cup is top of the list; Wimbledon also on now is another. Comment Unhappily our government doesn't believe much in public access to anything. The FCC Federal Communications Commission , the agency that regulates media and broadcasting, once had a 'fairness doctrine' that reguired, for instance, news programs to give equal time to the administration and the opposition -- but that was when all TV was free and over the air.

I'm afraid that before long there won't even be any over-the-air TV, since the over-the-air channels what used to be called the major networks have lost so much programming quality and viewership, in a self-defeating cycle. Sensible regulation could indeed theoretically help stem the trend, but there's zero political will for it. I seem to recall that in ABC showed several of the games on the weekends. But this year, they seem to be scheduled to show only the final, even though the only thing they have to fill their weekend schedule otherwise is garbage like NASCAR.

Perhaps they think only rednecks still use antennas. I wonder if in fact the reverse is sometimes true -- that people who want Murdoch and Fox are actually more motivated to pay for cable. But if those of us who still watch general-interest programming are mostly fairly well educated and middle-aged or older, they don't want us as viewers anyway.

Anyway, all this makes me very sad. If subscription becomes the only means of access to media, there's no longer any motivation to serve the interest of the general public, as opposed to interest groups. It's not journalism any more, just consumerism. Martin, I'll see what I can do about making a vocabulary list and maybe posting it in the Spanish forum.

There might even be a thread or two there from the last World Cup, though as I recall none of the Spanish speakers ever seemed very interested well, they already know the vocabulary. There certainly wasn't much interest in the Portuguese forum this time, since it seems to be only a handful of people so far.

Dutch international public broadcasting, which I used to love on radio in Spanish when I lived where I could get it, alas, seems to have been killed a year or two ago by budget-cutting legislation. Think of a catchy hashtag. Unless anyone has already started one somewhere in the Trainer section?

I never use it, but I wonder if there's any way to link vocabulary words across more than one language? Da kann man ja auch alle Spiele sehen, zumindest in Deutschland. Hilft aber auch nur, wenn man besser Deutsch als Spanisch kann. Comment Hilft aber auch nur, wenn man besser Deutsch als Spanisch kann.

Comment Ich habe es vesucht, ein Radio zum Bild laufen zu lassen. Eine ganz andere Disziplin, wie es scheint. Ich mag diese Einstellung nicht. Ich kann ihnen versichern, dass es noch sehr viel ernster ist. Comment Puh! Ich denke eher, dass Brasilien sich durchsetzt. Comment I was struggling to follow the discussion in Spanish, as it got fast and a bit heated at that point, but if I understood correctly, they seemed to think it was a really hard, dangerous hit.

I think they said that if David Luiz hadn't been there it could have even been a direct red card. I didn't understand why, but I would guess it might have something to do with a rule about the last man before the goal or something? They felt the referee should have asserted himself much earlier in the game, but seemed intimidated by the Brazilian fans.

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But maybe they were partial to Colombia, I don't know. That's why I wished people would maybe say something here about how it was reported elsewhere -- I'm always curious to know how much of this stuff about the officiating is subjective. They've certainly been dissatisfied with a lot of it. They thought the US ref, Mark something, was good in an early game but bad in a later one. They were apprehensive about the Brazilian, Ricci, and then thought he was only so-so on the day. The Argentinian I think they liked okay, and the Algerian, despite some comment by Klinsmann beforehand.

But I guess everyone who already knows more about soccer doesn't want to discuss it here.

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Not sure which game it was, but quite often I thought there'd been "foul play," because the players were grabbing hold of their opponent, but no fouls were called. Then all of a sudden, in what looked like to me a similar situation, a foul was called. My son said in those cases, it was what's called a "strategic foul," in the others, it wasn't. Well, well, well. We might actually have a chance. Edit: It didn't look that bad but apparently it fractured a vertebra. Comment Good heavens. Will he be all right? How terribly unfortunate for him and for Brazil. The commentators were mentioning as he went off that it appeared to be his spine, which was surprising to me too, as they hadn't actually shown him being hit except very briefly.

But maybe I just missed something -- the whole thing went by so fast, and in Spanish. If that's the play I'm thinking of, the referee had just let a long breakout play continue and had to come back all the way from the other end of the field. I'm not sure they even ever showed a very good camera shot of the hit at the time, though it will undoubtedly be replayed over and over now.

As for Germany, I think you might have had a good chance even if they had both played. At least to me as a total nonexpert, Brazil hadn't looked unbeatable before today. But this will certainly throw a wrench in their plans, as well as being a big psychological blow. But on the other hand, if they get emotional about it and they will , it could make them all the more determined to win one for their injured comrade. And 50,plus of their fans will feel just the same. If I were Mr. Wonder if there's anything in the rules about that.

Carly, the ref in the Germany-France game was the Argentinian one, Pitana with the sort of retro combover. I haven't heard any complaints about him either, that I can recall. They did say something about strategic fouls, now that you mention it. Maybe that's the rule where they punish it more severely because the opponent could likely have scored if he hadn't been fouled. Comment No, he will not be all right. Es gab 54 Fouls, mehr als in jedem anderen. They felt the referee should have asserted himself much earlier in the game But maybe they were partial to Colombia That's why I wished people would maybe say something here about how it was reported elsewhere " Das wird hier auch so gesehen.

Manchmal hilft die Zeitlupe. In diesem Fall stand Luiz noch weiter hinten, aber der Schiedsrichter kann eine Ermessensentscheidung treffen. Ich habe nicht genau vor Augen, wo Luiz stand. Steht z. Steht er am Torpfosten, kann er eingreifen. Comment Zu "Schweinsteiger" bedeutet nicht swineclimber. Hat der Kommentator bzgl. Comment Thank you very much from me too. That was exactly the kind of lucid explanation I was hoping for, and confirmed some of my impressions, as best I could follow the discussion in Spanish. I had recorded it on DVD and have just gone back and replayed the last minutes of the game.

As I mentioned, they had been increasingly dismayed the whole game that no cards were given until so late -- there were a couple of hard collisions where they said WTTE 'Will he finally give a card this time? They were also upset about the yellow card to James at 67' -- they said, yes, it was a foul, but not worthy of a card, and WTTE, if I understood how can you expect people to put up with being hit 10 or more times and not doing anything about it, and then throw the book at them the first time they hit back?

Sometime after that there was a really hard midair collision between Yepes and Neymar where Neymar rolled over a couple of times and stayed down a while, in or near the area. No call, of course. I wondered if that might have had any lingering effects, but who knows. Then about 81' there's the injury to Neymar after the corner kick.

I was right that the camera doesn't even stay on him after he's down -- everyone just rushes past him and follows the counterattack to the other end of the field.

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When I saw it live, I stupidly thought, Oh, he must be talking about that numbing spray they use. But seeing it again, partly in slow motion, it was clear that he meant a blow that can paralyze, and he was right. Even if he was perhaps being flippant at the time, when it wasn't yet clear how serious the injury was. I do totally agree that, especially after so many hard fouls, many uncalled, and also quite a number of dives, it's very hard for us in TV-land to tell who's really hurt and who's faking or taking advantage of the chance to lie down for a minute.

And apparently it was hard for the referee as well. Just to be clear: I understand that Neymar is not 'okay' and that he was in intense pain. An elderly friend of ours slipped on the ice and cracked a vertebra this past winter and she was in pain for months. But when I said 'Is he all right,' I meant, euphemistically, Can he still walk, and I am very relieved to know that the answer so far seems to be yes.

I really hope that no one else will be seriously injured in this tournament. Thanks also for explaining the 'last man' rule, which I had only a vague idea of. Someday maybe I will get this sport figured out. Psychologisch ist sowas immer schwierig. Und im gestrigen Spiel hat Neymar auch nicht so viel gezeigt und Brasilien hat trotzdem gewonnen.

Comment The British TV commentators were likewise unhappy with the lenient refereeing, noting inter alia that Scolari had given Fernandinho the specific job of inflicting pain on James Rodriguez. They also remarked that "a couple of cards just before half-time would have calmed the game down a bit" and allowed the flair players to liven things up. Unfortunately it didn't happen, and much of the match was what we call a "scrappy" affair - i.

Could the referee have been leant on to facilitate the host nation's game plan, or am I just becoming too cynical as I get older? Comment Could the referee have been leant on to facilitate the host nation's game plan Some commentator said that the ref seemed to be intimidated by the Brazilian audience. Comment Yeah, that would be a less cynical explanation. Happens a lot in big games. And he did book Thiago Silva, after all.

Comment Auf beiden Seiten waren wichtige Spieler mit gelb vorbelastet. Ich kann mir schon vorstellen, dass der Schiedsrichter auch deshalb versucht hat, am Anfang ohne Karten auszukommen. Und wie captain flint schon andeutet, haben beide Mannschaften recht hart gespielt. Comment edit: Wurden die Faulregeln etwas gelockert, oder bilde ich mir das nur ein?

Dann gibt es z. Und dann gibt es solche wie heute den Italiener im Spiel Arg-Blg, die auf Kommunikation setzen, und das sind mMn die besten. Die machen den Spielern deutlich, wo die Grenzen sind, und ihre Gesten sind eindeutig. Du hast das schon zweimal gemacht, und ich habe es auch gesehen. Comment Danke, sebastien! But the officiating doesn't seem to favor one side consistently, as far as I can tell; it's just unpredictable.

Is 'auf Vorteil spielen lassen' the same as 'ley de ventaja'? Another rule I don't actually know Comment hm, I don't speak much Spanish, but "auf Vorteil spielen lassen" means that say a German player is fouled when the team could potentially socre. The referee doesn't call a foul, i.

He speaks Englsh fairly well, plus rudimentary German, soooo he might be able to help with the vocabulary Comment Bin auch fix und fertig Robben hin, Robben her bin Bayer Fan Olli Kahn ging es auch gegen den Strich. Ein Foul ist eine Regelwidrigkeit, die abgepfiffen werden muss, womit das Spiel unterbrochen ist.

Minuten hatte. Der "Rest" waren die Spielunterbrechungen. Comment ABC actually showed the Argentina-Belgium game today over the air, probably because they had had to book the time slot long in advance and it was the game the US would have played if they had beaten Belgium. So I listened to part of it in English, but they didn't really have much in the way of play-by-play, just some British guy called Derek who didn't say much.

I had the feeling that the BBC must never have broadcast games on the radio, or must have used a completely different style when it did, because you would never have any idea what was happening if you weren't already looking at the screen that minute. When he did finally speak at more length, it was in a sort of flowery, journalistic style with lots of metaphors. And once he used a new word I had never heard before: 'to juke'? Or maybe that was just a typo on the closed captioning. Maybe that's a cultural difference in viewing sports on TV.

The English seem to like plenty of dead silence until something major happens -- otherwise they might appear enthusiastic or something, I don't know -- whereas the Americans like multi-tasking, hearing more information or commentary while watching, especially if not much is happening on the field. Talk bugs me too when it's just statistics and obscure facts, but analysis of strategy and tactics is usually interesting, or background about individual players. There was also an American former player, Kasey someone Keller?

But it's definitely less stressful not to have to mentally translate while also trying to figure out who was called for fouling whom and why. I didn't get back soon enough either to see why Navas was down early in the overtime period, but fortunately it didn't seem too serious. The penalty shootout was indeed sad, after all Costa Rica's hard work. They said the substitute keeper was a specialist in penalties -- but then someone said no, I think, I don't remember.

Apparently hundreds of people are tweeting the commentators all during the game. When play gets slow, they read out greetings to people in various places, like radio DJs used to do. WK, how are the Argentinean media liking the team now? Are they less cool toward Messi now that he's finally scoring better?

Carly, my Spanish vocab list is already pretty long and still growing, but I still haven't looked it all up, and for some that I have, I still only have the English, not the German, since I've never listened to soccer in German. I guess I could put a draft up somewhere and others could add to it, though it would be easier if we could leave it in Excel or something, in table form.

But I'm not sure anyone else really wants or needs it that much. Martin doesn't even seem to be around at the moment -- it's still a long weekend here. Which I hope everyone is enjoying. Though tomorrow may seem a little dull with no soccer. Maybe it would be easier if I knew the hand signal for the ley de ventaja as opposed to the ones for a foul or for no foul.

There also seem to be specific signals with the flags on the sidelines, but the only ones I consistently recognize are offside and which team gets the ball. Comment hm: Navas got an arm across the face. On the replay it looked like a fairly substantial strike. Is it still ? Why not tell us? Luckily we got home to see the overtime. Unfortunately, Costa Rica lost. And, yeah, it's Kasey Keller. Comment Hi hm--us, I'm here, following the discussion; I just have nothing to contribute.

I missed Brazil vs. Colombia because of our neighborhood's July-4 picnic, but made up for it today by watching part of both games plus the opening day of the Tour de France. Bad crash in the last minute took down poor Cavendish. Comment auf Vorteil spielen lassen - in English, this is when the referee plays the advantage , in case anyone is curious. So it's a fair bet that ley de ventaja is indeed the same thing.

The TV commentators on all our channels generally let the football do its own talking, leaving the tactical analysis to the panel of ex-players who discuss the game at half-time and full-time. None of them speak in a flowery way with lots of metaphors, though; it sounds like your chap Derek Rae? We missed the only goal of the Germany - USA match because someone thought it would be nice to listen to Engelbert Humperdinck instead. Comment Good grief. I was going to suggest earlier that anyone seeing the game on a faraway screen in a restaurant, or in the wrong language, might be able to get the play-by-play from a different source just over a small radio.

But these days as more and more people have smartphones or tablets with internet radio, broadcasters may assume there's less market for live games over the air, I don't know. It's been probably a decade or more since I tried that myself. For some reason they seem to have hired several announcers from the UK, perhaps in part because so few of their American staff have any interest or experience in soccer. There's one guy called Tommy Smyth e?

And someone called Rubens Pozzi sp? And Hristo Stoichkov's Spanish is more like the speed of mine. Comment WK, how are the Argentinean media liking the team now? And they seem to be quite fond of La Pulga , who indeed is probably the technically best player of the team. Comment Good.

Before the start of the tournament, there were some feature reports about people there really disparaging Messi for having left the country at age 13, instead of having stayed to play for Argentinian teams. And apparently Maradona is behaving as badly as ever, using a TV program that's supposedly about soccer to support the awful Maduro government in Venezuela. As much as I would like all the Latin American teams to do well, I find it hard to sympathize with any Argentinian fans who still go out and sing about him. Zitat: " Es kann einfach zu viel Unvorhersehbares passieren.

Manchmal sogar erst ganz am Schluss. Und jetzt hauen wir die Brasilianer weg. Comment Nein. Comment Apparently Navas was actually bumped into pretty hard, more than once, but it wasn't ruled intentional or avoidable or whatever. One was right at the start of the overtime and I didn't see the actual hit either I didn't think substituting a fresh goalkeeper was illegal or unfair, but I thought that the little stunt that Krul pulled, walking up to the kickers and getting in their faces to explicitly intimidate them, was well beyond what I think of as fair play.

In the Tippspiel thread, sebastianW thought it might even be sanctionable as distracting conduct or something, but apparently the referee didn't think so. I really hope today's game will have less aggression and gamesmanship and more just good play on the field. But that's probably a naive wish. Someone writing in the NY Times a day or two ago said that the trend of issuing fewer cards could actually be intentional policy, because allowing play to continue despite roughness creates more scoring opportunities, and that's what audiences want, to see goals scored.

I also hope the Germans are ready to stay cool in the midst of deafening noise and a lot of booing and whistling. The crowd is definitely going to be the 12th man today. Comment Someone writing in the NY Times a day or two ago said that the trend of issuing fewer cards could actually be intentional policy, because allowing play to continue despite roughness creates more scoring opportunities, and that's what audiences want, to see goals scored.

Unfortunately I suspect that is true, and remember thinking that during the final in A good idea IMO; so many matches end and the losing team has actually played better. The luck factor is too high; the high numbers of points scored in basketball or rugby e. Comment that's what audiences want, to see goals scored Yeah, I'm enjoying it so far. Comment Ouch. I'm not enjoying it any more -- it hurts to watch. Comment Well, "hurts to watch" in the sense of: feeling extremely faint, heart racing, can't believe my eyes :- BUT, thoroughly enjoying it, because they're playing sooooooooooooo well!!!!

Comment 7? Comment Aber nu reicht es auch, oder? Zwei sooo traurige kleine brasilianische Jungs, die da zu sehen waren. Das ist ja nicht auszuhalten. Comment Ja, Advohannes. Comment Ich geh' davon aus das ich Recht behalte. Comment Well, I would have been happy if Brazil had pulled things together, come out and scored 3 goals.

Unfortunately for them, that didn't happen. Of course it hurt Brazil to lose Silva and Neymar, but I don't think anyone expected them to fall apart so completely. Comment Dictionary: to rout so. A lesson for England perhaps. Comment Hi hm--us and Martin-cal! I have been reading and it seems I have found kindred tv viewing spirits in you and Martin-cal. I did give up my tv top rabbit ears for an antenna installed in the attic to pull in the over-the-air stations. It was cool finding that Univision is showing the games since I don't have cable either.

It will be a bummer the next time around if ESPN really does have all the rights and Univision will not be able to air. Even though I did not understand the Univision it seemed more exciting. ESPN had bought all rights so on commercial tv there was no live coverage. Both the women's and men's finals were shown late in the afternoon and the men's final was edited and only portions of the match were shown.

I fear that was a preview of my experience for the World Cup. About a year ago I finally was guilted into supporting the radio station after finally admitting that they were correct in saying I was definitely a real listener since I was not changing the station even during the pledge drive messages because there was still spans of news and information. Comment Pretty interesting report from a Brazilian fan on the ground in Brazil: "So I've just come back from watching the game at a bar here in Brazil.

I am Brazilian-Australian, so I'm not as heavily invested in football as everyone else, but it was still pretty fun to watch. Here's a rundown of how it went here on the ground, for anyone that's interested: - First half and the first goal just seemed like a bit of bad luck. This wakes the crowd up a bit and gets some "come on"s happening. Eyes are firmly fixed on the game. Drinks are flowing, horns tooting in encouragement. A few women gasp, but all eyes are still on the game. Horn-blowing is strangely absent. This is when personal comments about the players usually begin, mainly questioning their placement on the team.

One man behind me left the crowd and smashed his flagpole to bits on the cement, leaving only the cloth. Notable about Brazilians and football is that they rarely utter anything about it being "over" until it actually is. By now, the more fanatic of fans are starting to getting more irritated, swearing, calling the players useless, yelling at them to play, and calling them a "vergonha nacional" national embarrassment.

For others, attention is starting to lag and people are looking at their phones and even have their backs turned to the TV screen. They will remain, but only out of a sense of duty. A few Dutch men that rolled in are doing quite well with the skanky types looking to marry a foreigner. Angry home fireworks begin. You know when you're really tired and everything is going wrong and all you can do is laugh? Cheers of "Fora, Dilma!

Out Felipao! As for Felipao, he is not well-liked in Brazil, and the idea that this could end his coaching the national team makes many happy. The vast majority have turned their attentions to other conversations and their phones. The most gung-ho are still stewing in angry silence, broken with the occasional random outburst against players.

The insults are now less about the gameplay, and slightly more personal. My favourite likened a player to Bambi. For the few that are still angry, the insults have descended into straight-out swearing in small squads. The most common insults are "filho da puta" son of a whore , along with "vai tomar no cu" stick it up your ass.

More angry home fireworks ensue. The seventh goal goes largely unnoticed. People turn their heads when they realise something happened. Conversations and phones resume. Noone is phased by pictures of spectators crying on TV. This is completely normal and to be expected. Their response is "Kick another one, just to embarrass us more", etc.

Our angry spectators are still angry, insults even less relevant, but much funnier. No horns post-game, and thankfully, life will be back to normal tomorrow. Forecast for storms with Dilma's election campaign, though. TL; DR: We got our asses kicked. Comment re Hi, snickerdoodle. Tell A. How can anyone not like soccer and not like Spanish? He must have some latent genes somewhere. I'm afraid supporting public TV and radio won't do anything to keep sports on the air, not that it's not a good thing to do.

In we will probably all have to watch sports on our tablets, so the NSA can see who we root for. He and James Rodriguez remind me a little of each other in that respect. But I think James will be stronger next time.

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He looks like he has more fiber in him. Fred and Marcelo have reminded me of characters in a comedy movie throughout. And David Luiz needs to look up Matthew Do not be like those who pray in the middle of a football stadium hoping to be shown on the giant screen -- go to your room and shut the door! But, but, but. There was so much pressure on them to perform, to somehow singlehandedly rescue the story of the World Cup, wipe away all the construction scandals and protests and delays.

I was dismayed to read in an article in I think the NY Times that some of the darker-skinned players have had to face a barrage of racist insults over social media from their own fans. I don't think Brazil is now down and out for decades, far from it. I actually think there are analysts in Brazil who can study the reasons the Germans won and design a program to build up those strengths in a more organized way -- not unlike the economists who found ways to deal with inflation.

They will find a way to make soccer positive and offensive again, and Neymar will lead the charge. Perhaps with a little less peroxide and more team spirit. He was better this game than last -- not just trying to get himself into the area, but passing to other people -- but he still doesn't really seem to be part of the in group who play so instinctively well together. I'm still not sure that wasn't just a clever excuse with a straight face after the fact, but whatever. And they think Mr. Unlike Mr. Comment USA Today is not serious journalism. It's a tabloid in a broadsheet format.

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